[RocketsNW] FW: Mark Aguiar (WA L&I Inspector) LookedAtMyExpl.Magazine Today

Mon Apr 13 07:37:17 PDT 2009

You can't find any references in the King County fire code because the fire
code is structured like this: we adopt the International Fire Code 2006
Edition with a bunch of amendments. This is spelled out in section 17.04.010
of this document:
http://www.kingcounty.gov/council/legislation/~/media/Council/documents/Clerk/CodeFiles/20_Title_17.ashx
.
The IFC is copyrighted, so it's not available (for free) on the web. You
should go down to your local library and find a hard copy. Look at
section 3301.1.4,
titled "Rocketry", which states something along the lines of: The storage,
handling and use of model and high-power rockets shall comply with the
requirements of NFPA 1122, NFPA 1125, and NFPA 1127.

The NFPA documents aren't specific to APCP, but presumably do give the local
fire marshal jurisdiction over rocket motor storage.

 - Carl

On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Brad Wright <bradwr at wrightholdings.com>wrote:

> In my searches I couldn't seem to find anything specific to APCP or other
> such substances in the King County fire code.  do you have a reference?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:42 PM
> To: Dennis Winningstad
> Cc: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FW: Mark Aguiar (WA L&I Inspector)
> LookedAtMyExpl.Magazine Today
>
> Washington state adopted the Universal Fire Code which contains by
> reference the NFPA codes.  L&I may soon be out of the picture as far as
> regulating APCP as an explosive but remember you still have to keep the
> fire marshal happy.  Especially in places like King county.
>
> Fire marshals and local AHJ's do have some say when it comes to storing
> stuff they consider darn flammable.
> +McG+
>
>
> > Maybe work in the background, but get all the ducks in a row so when it
> is
> > time to move out, you can overwhelm them with emails, snail mails and
> > phone
> > calls :D
> >
> > Dennis S Winningstad
> > 503-781-3529
> >
> > It is bad luck to be superstitious.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:
> rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> > On Behalf Of Bloom, Steven E
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:12 AM
> > To: Brian Jarchow; rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FW: Mark Aguiar (WA L&I Inspector)
> > LookedAtMyExpl.Magazine Today
> >
> > I'd like to voice the other side of this arguement. I suggest we "wait
> > and see" before we start asking for permission to something that is
> > completely legal. L&I may drop it all on their own. Let's give them that
> > chance first. If they don't, then we can take next steps.
> >
> > I think the last thing we want to do at this stage is to point out to
> > our government that currently there are several people in the state with
> > explosive rocket fuel in their garages but it's safe, because BATFE says
> > so. However in the near future, without Federal Regulation, there will
> > be no control over who stores explosive rocket fuel in their house.
> >
> > steve bloom
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *********************************
> > We may have won that battle in one location, but we will still need to
> > fight again in Washington courts if L&I decides to regulate without
> > legislative authority.
> >
> > I think we should focus on the suggestion given - does anybody on the
> > list know a member of the legislature? Does anybody here have a good
> > friend who knows a member of the legislature? If we had one or two
> > members of the state house or state senate willing to support us, I
> > really doubt L&I would try to continue regulating APCP.
> >
> > Brian
> >
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.
The IFC is copyrighted, so it's not available (for free) on the web. You should go down to your local library and find a hard copy. Look at section 
3301.1.4, titled "Rocketry", which states something along the lines of: 
The storage, handling and use of model and high-power rockets shall comply with the requirements of NFPA 1122, NFPA 1125, and NFPA 1127.
The NFPA documents aren't specific to APCP, but presumably do give the local fire marshal jurisdiction over rocket motor storage.
 - Carl
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Brad Wright
< mailto:bradwr at wrightholdings.com bradwr at wrightholdings.com
>
wrote:
In my searches I couldn't seem to find anything specific to APCP or other such substances in the King County fire code.  do you have a reference?
-----Original Message-----
From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
] On Behalf Of mailto:kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:42 PM
To: Dennis Winningstad
Cc: mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FW: Mark Aguiar (WA L&I Inspector) LookedAtMyExpl.Magazine Today
Washington state adopted the Universal Fire Code which contains by
reference the NFPA codes.  L&I may soon be out of the picture as far as
regulating APCP as an explosive but remember you still have to keep the
fire marshal happy.  Especially in places like King county.
Fire marshals and local AHJ's do have some say when it comes to storing
stuff they consider darn flammable.
+McG+
> Maybe work in the background, but get all the ducks in a row so when it is
> time to move out, you can overwhelm them with emails, snail mails and
> phone
> calls :D
>
> Dennis S Winningstad
> 503-781-3529
>
> It is bad luck to be superstitious.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
[mailto: mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com
]
> On Behalf Of Bloom, Steven E
> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:12 AM
> To: Brian Jarchow; mailto:rockets at rocketsnw.com rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] FW: Mark Aguiar (WA L&I Inspector)
> LookedAtMyExpl.Magazine Today
>
> I'd like to voice the other side of this arguement. I suggest we "wait
> and see" before we start asking for permission to something that is
> completely legal. L&I may drop it all on their own. Let's give them that
> chance first. If they don't, then we can take next steps.
>
> I think the last thing we want to do at this stage is to point out to
> our government that currently there are several people in the state with
> explosive rocket fuel in their garages but it's safe, because BATFE says
> so. However in the near future, without Federal Regulation, there will
> be no control over who stores explosive rocket fuel in their house.
>
> steve bloom
>
>
>
>
> *********************************
> We may have won that battle in one location, but we will still need to
> fight again in Washington courts if L&I decides to regulate without
> legislative authority.
>
> I think we should focus on the suggestion given - does anybody on the
> list know a member of the legislature? Does anybody here have a good
> friend who knows a member of the legislature? If we had one or two
> members of the state house or state senate willing to support us, I
> really doubt L&I would try to continue regulating APCP.
>
> Brian
>
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