[RocketsNW] where the deceitful government will go ... TOTALLY OFF TOPIC.

Sun Apr 5 12:08:05 PDT 2009

I agree, the post by you and Kimberly were not on topic, let it go please. 

Scott T. Bowers
www.scottsrockets.com

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Bill Munds
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 10:12 AM
To: Robert Nech; rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] where the deceitful government will go ... TOTALLY
OFF TOPIC.

Let it go, Robert.

This is a friendly rocket hobbyist forum of folks that just want to catch
the thrill of watching what they build fly or crash.

Our results are not always what we expect......but are always exciting.

Government regulation is important in some ways.  But only in a way that
prevents us from getting the thrill.

Bill

 EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD
Join me

> Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 09:58:20 -0700
> From: hammerhatesjunkmail at earthlink.net
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] where the deceitful government will go ...
TOTALLY OFF TOPIC.
> 
> Here we go again! Yes!!!!!
> 
> Your Leftist response with your character assassination by calling me 
> an anti-government, right-wing nut isn't going to fly here, but it is 
> a classic tactical move used for generations to shut those people up 
> who disagree with government sprawl into every single facet of our lives.
> 
> Since you enjoy Big Government with big and onerous regulations, are 
> the current regulations on AP rocket propellant enough to make you 
> feel safe? Are you looking forward to the appeal by the BATFE? How 
> much regulation is not enough or too much for you?
> 
> The NAIS as well as Real ID are simply other examples of how 
> government is using its power to give us more supposed safety at the 
> cost of our freedom and liberty and our wallets. Two-thirds of the 
> cost of any product you purchase today is due to government 
> regulation. Our country was founded on keeping government to a 
> minimum. I am not against government at all as long as it stays within 
> the framework of its Constitutional limits. This does require each 
> citizen to behave themselves by being self-governing. As the citizenry 
> becomes less internally, self-governing more government is required to 
> apply external controls upon them.
> 
> Hobby rocketry has survived to this point because rocketeers are 
> self-governing and self-regulating. As long as we prove to Fedzilla 
> and its subsidiaries (the States) that we can do such, like we have 
> done with Judge Walton, we will continue to enjoy the sweet taste of 
> the freedom and liberty to design, build and fly rocket airframes and
motors.
> 
> I heard North Korea, Cuba, and Iran have invitations extended to you 
> for permanent residence there. Won't be able to fly any hobby rockets 
> there though.
> 
> Robert
> 
> They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary 
> safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
> -Benjamin Franklin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Kimberly Harms wrote:
> > First off, what does this have to do with Rocketry in the Northwest? 
> >
> > Second, why is the off topic stuff that gets posted always 
> > anti-government right wing-nut stuff ?
> >
> > Third, why not do a bit of reading on the benefits rather than this 
> > "go it alone and screw the rest of the world as long as I can make
maximum profits"
> > stuff ?
> >
> > This from the Oregon Department of Agriculture.:
> >
> > " The National Animal Identification System (NAIS) is a voluntary 
> > countrywide program intended to enhance animal traceability efforts 
> > in controlling the spread of animal diseases. The U.S. Department of 
> > Agriculture (USDA) in cooperation with state agencies and the 
> > livestock industry is developing the system. When fully developed, 
> > it should allow traceability of diseased or exposed animals within 
> > 48 hours of the disease outbreak. It should help ensure rapid 
> > disease containment and maximum protection of America's livestock
animals."
> >
> > Kimberly Harms
> > Apparently the last progressive involved in Rocketry and a person 
> > who doesn't assume that the best of all worlds is a world with zero
regulation.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com 
> > [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> > On Behalf Of Hammer
> > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:52 AM
> > To: NW Rocketry mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] where the deceitful government will go ...
> >
> > Obviously you have not kept up with the news of Fedzilla's National 
> > Animal Identification System (NAIS).
> > http://www.newswithviews.com/Morrison/joyce23.htm
> > http://nonais.org/
> >
> > What is NAIS?
> >
> > The USDA's proposed National Animal Identification System (NAIS) was 
> > originally designed to give the big beef producers help in getting 
> > export markets which required disease controls. The idea is that 
> > every single livestock animal in the United States will be 
> > identified and tagged. All livestock animal movements will be 
> > tracked, logged and reported to the government. The benefit is to 
> > the big factory farms who probably do need this type of regulation. 
> > They get to do single ID's for large groups of animals. Small 
> > farmers, pet owners and homesteaders will have to tag and track every
single animal.
> >
> > There are no exceptions - even small farms that sell direct to local 
> > consumers will be required to pay the fees and file all the paper 
> > work on all their animals. Even horse, llama and other pet owners 
> > will be required to participate in NAIS. Homesteaders who raise 
> > their own meat and grandma with her one egg hen will also have to 
> > register their homes as 'farm premises' and obtain a Premise ID, tag 
> > all their animals and submit all the paperwork and fees. Absurd? Yes 
> > - There are no exceptions under the current NAIS plan. The USDA has 
> > slipped this plan in the back door without any legislation. This is 
> > going to be very expensive and guess who is going to pay for it in
higher food prices. You!
> >
> > kmcgoffin at worldaccessnet.com wrote:
> > 
> >> You forgot the cow burps and goat farts. They trying to tax those 
> >> too but they're not making personal inspections on the farms to 
> >> gather data. They know farmers have pitchforks. ;-)
> >>
> >> It's all a manifestation of the underlying psychosis of a 
> >> totalitarian mindset. Which, unfortunately, seems to be a communicable
disease.
> >> There's a treatment for it, but they preemptively outlawed 
> >> marijuana long ago...whatever, dude.
> >>
> >> Solar heated steam rockets.
> >> +McG+
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> Why would the EPA declare a naturally occurring compound like CO2 
> >>> a danger to the public like they are doing with perchlorates?
> >>>
> >>> Because the Feds will use these studies to justify its use of one 
> >>> or more of their alphabet soup agencies, such as the CDC, FDA or 
> >>> EPA, to regulate and tax its use by the public. Just recently the 
> >>> EPA declared
> >>> CO2 a danger to the public to help stop AGW/Climate Change/Climate
Chaos.
> >>> http://www.businessinsider.com/epa-delcares-co2-a-public-danger-20
> >>> 09-3
> >>>
> >>> Does it matter that there is more argon in the (0.94%) in the 
> >>> atmosphere than CO2 (0.04%). Or that argon ((26.85 C/80.33 F) 
> >>> 0.01772 W.m-1.K-1) also has a much lower thermal conductivity 
> >>> coefficient than CO2 ((20
> >>> C/68 F) 0.087 W.m-1 .K-1). So much so that argon is used in double 
> >>> and triple pan windows to help increase the insulating capacity 
> >>> and also used in scuba diving dry suits.
> >>>
> >>> With CO2 now defined and classified as a pollutant and a danger to 
> >>> the public's health and welfare, legislation will certainly follow 
> >>> to drive the price any form of energy creation, which creates CO2 
> >>> as a byproduct, through the roof with higher taxes and more
regulation.
> >>>
> >>> Don't rocket motors produce CO2 as one byproduct of combustion? 
> >>> It's only a matter of time before the Mandarins come calling to 
> >>> our door step to regulate the use of rocket motors from a CO2 
> >>> standpoint as well as a perchlorate one. GOX/GHy rocket motor 
> >>> technology may need to be developed to sidestep the bureaucrats once
again.
> >>>
> >>> Since I am a CO2 emitter by what I exhale and the products I use 
> >>> does that make me a danger to the public and should I be taxed to 
> >>> death and regulated out of existence? If I alter my genetic code I 
> >>> could have it use hydrogen and oxygen to power my body, too.
> >>>
> >>> Robert
> >>>
> >>> "Bureaucracy, the rule of no one, has become the modern form of
> >>> 
> > despotism"
> > 
> >>> Mary McCarthy
> >>>
> >>> 
> > http://www.carbonoffsetsdaily.com/canada-carbonmarketnews/controllin
> > g-carbon
> > -a-bureaucrat's-dream-5109.htm
> > 
> >>>
> >>> Paul Bogdanich wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>> As I understand it the health warning or whatever it was is on 
> >>>> perchlorate in general which comes in at least the following five 
> >>>> flavors, Ammonium, Hydrogen, Lithium, Potassium and Sodium. It 
> >>>> occurs naturally as Hydrogen Perchlorate which we call perchloric 
> >>>> acid. So why are we getting bent out of shape about this and the 
> >>>> evil government?
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Rockets mailing list
> >>>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> >>>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Rockets mailing list
> >>> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> >>> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Rockets mailing list
> >> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> >> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> >> 
> >>
> >> 
> >> 
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rockets mailing list
> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> > 
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rockets mailing list
> > Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> > http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> > 
> >
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rockets mailing list
> Rockets at rocketsnw.com
> http://mx1.blastzone.com/mailman/listinfo/rockets
> 