[RocketsNW] BATF application

[Greg Deputy]

Nah, the state is a breeze.  They just take your fee, maybe glance at the
magazine and that's it.  The feds are by far the more time consuming part.  

-----Original Message-----
From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
On Behalf Of Donald and Brenda Harris
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 8:29 PM
To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] BATF application

You people in Washington got it ruff...

Don


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bryan A. Young" <foreveryoung at inlandnet.com>
To: "'Lynda Spangler'" <konospan at cpros.com>; <rockets at rocketsnw.com>
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [RocketsNW] BATF application


> As a starting point, I would look at two tutorials that I used (and
> hopefully will never use again) first. That said, some of the information 
> in
> these tutorials is misleading or wrong...I'll explain.
>
> Personally, I applied for a permit and variance on a rental property with 
> a
> detached garage in Washington State.
>
> http://www.nar.org/cabinet/leuphints.html
> http://www.lunar.org/docs/LUNARclips/v10/v10n1/leup.shtml
> http://www.tulsarocketry.org/LEUPTutorial.htm
> http://www.tulsarocketry.org/LEUPVariance.htm
>
> ATF FAQ (near bottom of page):
> http://www.atf.gov/explarson/safexpact/index.htm#faq
>
> Here are my corrections to these docs (as well as "If I ever had to do it
> again").
>
> 1) Order/construct/"permanently borrow" a type 4 explosive magazine. I 
> went
> with the Impulse Aerospace magazine described in the LEUP tutorial because
> it was the cheapest. In addition, BATFE keeps changing regulations..a
> commercial magazine may have a chance at being up-to-date. In addition, I
> have contact info for a used one.
>
> 2) Order your fingerprint cards from http://www.atf.gov/dcof/index.htm - 
> if
> memory serves me you need "FBI FD-258EX". I assumed that the police would
> need to fingerprint people when they were booked and would therefore have
> fingerprint cards...
>
> 3) Get your BATFE forms off of the internet. If you ask for forms from
> BATFE, then BATFE will send you a form that can then be used to order 
> forms.
>
> 4) Washington State:
> a) Get an application for a state explosive permit "kit" from
> Renette Gillihan at the Department of Labor and Industries (L&I)
> 360-902-5563.
> b) When you get fingerprints for the state, make sure that the STATE
> fingerprint card is sealed in the supplied bag (yes, I made two trips to 
> the
> police station).
> c) If your handwriting looks more like hieroglyphics (like me) then
> make a copy of the state form before filling it out.
> d) The state form only needs to be witnessed, not notarized. Short
> version: Anybody can be a witness.
>
> 5) If you have a detached garage then you don't need a variance.
>
> 6) Local authorities only have to be NOTIFIED. BATFE will contact the Fire
> Marshall/Chief/Director/Assistant specified on the variance form. If you 
> do
> contact an actual human, tell them it's the size of a day box...they seem 
> to
> assume that you're storing 2,000 lbs of propellant. Also tell them that 
> you
> will be storing ignitors NOT detonators.
>
> 7) Only one copy of all of your paperwork needs to be sent to BATFE, and
> only to the Federal Firearms Licensing Center (ignore what it says in
> "LEUPVariance.htm").
>
> 8) Ensure that no metal is exposed within the magazine. This is a new 
> rule.
> Paint over any exposed metal on the inside of the magazine with EPOXY 
> paint.
>
> 9) A BATFE agent will eventually contact you. For me, the process took 
> three
> months.
>
> 10) BATFE regulations end and DOT regulations begin when transporting
> propellant/chemicals/fissle materials...
> -B
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com [mailto:rockets-bounces at rocketsnw.com]
> On Behalf Of Lynda Spangler
> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 10:00 PM
> To: rockets at rocketsnw.com
> Subject: [RocketsNW] BATF application
>
>   Hi, I'm starting the application process for a BATF lic/permit to make
> and transport xp motors using AN/Mag.  Any and all advice would be
> appreciated.
>         Thanks,
>             Ray Konopa
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